Posted by bigtoe 2 years ago
anyone know what i can do to cover ball point ink under acrylic paint?? i used ball point in under a portion of a canvas on an underpainting. the pen ink bleeds thru the underpainting and right thru 2 more coats of gesso. any idea what i can put over the pen ink so it won't transmigrate thru the acrylic paint?????
nathansnyder 2 years ago
I recently had an experience like this after using a type of sumi in on hardboard and I found that 2 coats of gesso made it into a lighter gray and then after allowing that to dry for a day or so I could paint over it no problem. If that still doesn't work, I have no clue what would help. Hope this helps.
carlyhardy 2 years ago
Try white titanium over the gesso....that may cover it better....or leave the ink as a ghost line application. It could add an interesting texture perhaps.
orat 2 years ago
This seems to be a problem with dye inks and, possibly, x-tremely fine-grained pigments. Worst case scenario, they can travel through anything, but I've tried to just apply a thin coating of acrylic medium. The ink dissolves in the medium and stains it, but at least it seems less prone to go into the gesso or paint you then cover it with.
nicovanoosten 1 year ago
Before you try anything, experiment by drawing with the same pencil again and applying different things.
I agree that anything that has already been said might work, but it all depends on the ink in the bal point you used. You can also try applying varnish. But what might work also is trying to wash the ink away with water or any other fluid that does not damage your paint.
If nothing works: you can always start again (;-)))
zacinthebox 1 year ago
see if your local hardware store has Alykil primer for walls and trim it will take two days to dry completly for two coats...sorry about the ink or marker blead trough it's a learning curve..
lanceturner 1 year ago
I've had this problem a couple times, and never really tried to solve it because I like the way the lines bleed through the paint, but I think I might have a solution. The pen bleeds through the white because its not thick enough, but what if you painted a coat of an opaque black color, and then a white? It seems like even if it bled through the black, it wouldn't matter because the value would be similar to the black.
nicovanoosten 1 year ago
Hi Bigtoe,
Look on my pages in the map "Other". There is a painting called "Staring". The portrait is painted over an old painting and you see the lines and colors of the old painting. The effect is that there is more tension in the portrait than without the lines. It satisfies me still that I did this experiment and I still do this sometimes with paintings I am not satisfied with.
lynndigby 8 months ago
Try some kind of laquer, like white out or Kilz over the ink. I don't know how subsequent layers of paint over it will adhere over time. If you hadn't already coated the ink with gesso, I'd suggest you rub it with rubbing alcohol to dilute and dissolve it, then put a coating of shellac or laquer over the remaining stain to seal it. Then gesso it.
luisdiaz 3 months ago
This happened to me twice. Once in art school and another time on my first solo show. The first time it was Sharpie under an oil painting. Never again!. It bled through and no matter how much I painted over it it always came through. My fault that time. The second time was a gallery owner who scratched my painting and decided to use a paint marker to try and cover up a soft airbrushed background with his clumsy hand. It looked awful. I was shocked a professional person did this. I had to take back the painting because it was sold already and prime the area several times and do a soft pass with my air gun over the affected area. From something the size of a quarter to something the size of a gallon of paint. I was so nervous and stressed. I tolf myself never to work with that person again.
carrion 3 months ago
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Originally posted by bigtoe on December 23, 2009 10:50pm
This is one of the reasons I hate ballpoints for finished work. The other is the total lack of archival quality.
You basically have two options, neither of which is pretty. The first is to strip the paint layers back to the underpainting, and then seal the ballpoint drawing with polyurethane or some kind of lacquer sealer before proceeding to the next step of the painting. I'd give the sealer extra time to dry, and then go over it with a wet cloth to remove any ink that migrated before the seal coat had dried completely. Then you should be okay to paint.
The better method-- since you're stripping back to the underpainting, anyway-- is to use isopropyl alcohol to clean all of the ink off of the support, followed by a wipe-down with clean water (just so you aren't leaving any chemical residue behind); if you need to re-draw the image, use graphite or charcoal, and seal it with either fixative, an acrylic sealer or touch-up varnish to keep the lines from smudging on you.
If you're dead-set against doing that much work, or you think it will destroy the painting, or whatever, the only other thing you can do is keep applying gesso until there isn't enough ink in the layer below to migrate up, anymore. That doesn't guarantee that it won't migrate upwards, eventually, and you may wind up with a gesso layer 1/8" thick (I speak from experience, unfortunately), but it might work.
Finally, let me add this unfortunate lesson, hard-learned from tragic personal experience, lol: there is no such thing as water-proof ink. The manufacturers are evil, evil liars, the lot of them. Even "waterproof" india ink will smear and migrate if given enough water to swim in. I say this after spending a couple of years working with watercolor, ink and colored pencil and watching many a beautiful piece turn to mud because of a misplaced dollop of H2O. But anything you can buy at your local OfficeMax is almost guaranteed to cause problems when used in conjunction with any wet media.
Hope this helps. Good luck!
ryanweiss 3 months ago
KILLZ primer... pick it up at a home improvement store. Comes in a spray can or bucket. A coat or two of that on top of anything and it's like it never exisited.